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I bought the Classic Vibe 50s Tele many years ago. All that remains of the original beast are, the neck and hardware, neck plate, control plate and scratch plate, although that’s been modded to accept the new neck pickup. The old body has become a small table and the old hardware is cluttering up a cupboard. Can’t help on the tuner ratio thing I’m afraid.

Thank you! From what I had read 1:18 seemed to be what I thought I would need, but I don’t know what the ratio of the current tuners are, and my muggy head didn’t think of simply doing what you suggest… So now I have a place to start with the tuners. As for gilding the lily, I’m doing it because I like doing it. It won’t cost me much. I think the pickup set is less than £30. I can’t remember what the switch costs. I have everything else already. It’d be nice to have a humbucker as the bridge pickup, being able to split it should, I hope, mean I get to keep the Telecaster twang. I like the idea of the versatility. Being able to go from playing Reba McEntire to Metallica (or, more lately, Rocky Horror Picture Show tunes) without having to change guitar, would be handy!

I'm afraid that I can't help with the 'compulsion' aspect of things, not being medically qualified, but the tuner ratio is quite easy to sort out. To get finer tuning, one needs a higher ratio. Imagine, if you will, a 1:1 ratio; each full turn of the tuner 'bean' turns the string shaft one complete turn (as on a violin or cello, for example, with tapered, non-geared, tuners...). The slightest turn would change the pitch a lot. Now, at another extreme, imagine a ratio of 1:100; it would take forever to change strings, as the 'bean' would have to turn so many times before even taking up the slack of a new string (a string winder would help, but still...). The 'average' tuner has a ratio of 1:12 or 1:14; this can easily be checked by noting, carefully, exactly where the string currently goes through the hole in the shaft. De-tune, counting the turns of the 'bean', until the string is at the exact same position after one complete rotation of the shaft. The number of turns of the 'bean', for one complete shaft rotation, is the ratio. Tuner companies have different ratios available, but tend to be more costly as the ratio increases. 1:18 is common enough, some offer 1:20, or 1:22. Again, this can be helpful when fine-tuning, but becomes a bit of a beggar when changing strings without a string winder. If there is any change to be made, I might suggest 1:18 as being the reasonable upper limit. 1:14 is an improvement over 1:12, but if there are still issues with ratios, I might also suggest that the method for tuning is maybe suspect. One always tunes from low to high; if the correct pitch is overshot, tune back down and start again, raising the pitch, slowly. Once it's overshot, it's not a Good Idea to go back down to meet the correct note; go back enough to only ever be tuning up to pitch. I've nothing to add concerning the other mods you're envisaging, as it's so dependent on one's tastes and budget. I would only cite the expressions 'gilding the lily' and 'diminishing returns' and leave it there. Hope this helps; meanwhile... Have a splendid day. Douglas

A few months ago I treated myself to a Squier Classic Vibe 60s Telecaster. I love it but I just can’t let things be, I have to fiddle/meddle… I think the only thing I don’t like about it is the tuner ratio. Every time I think I have what I need, sorted out in my head, I read something contradictory and start doubting myself (there’ll probably be a lot of that in this post…). The trouble is that the tuning is too fine, so it’s near impossible to get it spot on. Do I need a higher or lower ratio? How do I find out what the current ratio is? Ideally I’d like to replace the tuners with ones with a more appropriate ratio. That fit in without having to enlarge the current holes in the headstock. It’d be nice to have drop in, vintage style tuners. I’d really like locking ones, too, but I have a feeling that what I am after just doesn’t exist, at least not without breaking the bank. The better ratio would be more important than locking. I don’t know what the current tuner ratio is. The other thing I want to do is change the pickups. I have seen a set that has a mini, hot rails humbucker for the bridge and a black chrome single in the neck position. I want to replace all the electrics*. I want a 4 way blade switch for: Switch Positions 1) bridge 2) neck + bridge (parallel) 3) neck + bridge (series) 4) Neck Plus a push pull pot for splitting the hot rail coils. So I need to find a diagram for all that. I’ll also be replacing the control plate for one with a slanted switch. I bought a replacement switch knob to help with access, but it’s not much of an improvement and it’s ugly. Can’t decide whether to stay chrome or go black. I’ll have to get on my PC, find some pictures and do a mock-up to give me a better idea. *There are two reasons for replacing all the electrics. One is that I can’t help myself! Doing this stuff is the best part of owning a guitar (it sure ain’t the playing, not the way I do it…). The second reason is that if it turns out that I preferred this guitar as it is, the plan would be to get a cheap Telecaster kit (I’ve seen a nice, semi-hollow bodied one at Thomman) that I can drop the new electrics into. I have been wanting to build a kit for a long time. So, any advice or/and help with this, would be greatly appreciated. It would also be fun to see/read about other peoples’ Telecaster mods.

Or, pretty much, exactly the same.

I should think so. It appears from what the original designer has said that the fairly accurate reproduction of the look of the original in the first version, plus the lack of the Behringer logo what what pushed them to sue over that one rather than the million and one Klones on the market. I mean, I can see their point, but it really does seem petty when they've not put the original out since 2008. It seems an awful lot of expense to go to over a product they haven't offered in the guts of two decades.... I have a feeling we've not seen the last of this. Behringer seem to be pretty confident, though, given they're playing the game this way. The Klon original team's claims about quality interest me... in truth, having tried effects pedals at all sorts of levels, I've never found a genuinely significant quality difference between pedals once you spend enough to guarantee physical durability. Sure, a difference in *sound* in some cases, but whether that's *better* is subjective. I often find I prefer a much cheaper pedal due to the simplicity off the design: most of the time I'm buying a pedal for a specific sound, and I don't need a million variations built in...

I bet that very subtle change in the graphics really pisses Klon off, which makes me smile.

It's fascinating how commonly cloned the Klon is, down to its legendary status. Any number of them out there, really. I got an email in yesterday telling me my pedal from Thomann is now on the way - we'll see if it's the original version or something new. I kinda wish I had ordered a few now! According to online reports, this is the new version (which may be what I'll receive): https://guitarbomb.com/behringer-rebrands-klon-clone-centara-overdrive/ Same housing, slight change of name and logo. It strikes me with some amusement that if this doesn't settle the lawsuit, this could become an even rarer version (maybe we should bot order more of them.... if I had an original couple of Klons now, I'd be selling them to buy a Gretsch!). Legalities aside, it still feels to me that Klon are taking the piss suing over an albeit very close lookalike of a pedal they've declined to put on the market for seventeen odd years....

I think Behringer just got a little too close to the original design. I am very much a fan of Behringer, by the way. I ordered mine from Anderton’s, as it was the only place that had them in stock, two days before the lawsuit was announced. I told my wife that they would start being worth more because of the lawsuit, and the lack of stock in many places (Anderton’s were the only ones that had them in stock and not back order) but that was to justify buying it… I had no idea that the prices really were going up. Maybe I should have ordered two? I certainly won’t be selling mine, it’s a excellent pedal. I suppose, what I could do, is build my own (which had always been the plan before the Behringer came out and all the massively positive reviews for it), and if it’s close enough, I could sell the Behringer.

Wouldn't surprise me. The older I get, the more I realise 99% of the electric guitar market is about selling branding an intangibles far over the actual, physical product. It does seem to vary by location, though: players in the US on average still seem to be much more likely to be emotionally invested in the idea that a guitar made in the USA *must* be superior, or is somehow otherwise "the real thing". Which I suppose shouldn't be surprising given that's where the electric guitar boom started, and so there's a sense of "loss" that those aren't dominant in the market any longer - as opposed to being "only" another import product as they are for us in the UK.

So, as you're doubtless aware, the people behind the original Klon Centaur: are suing Behringer, for the Behringer Centaur: It's going to be interesting seeing how this pans out. I think they'll win - or Behringer will back down - change the name and colour. Most legal cases settle before they get close to court. This one is interesting because the Klon hasn't been in production since 2008. They now routinely sell for four to five grand when they do come up for sale, hence the vast army of Klon clones that have been on the market for a long time. The Behringer pedal is just the very latest version of this, albeit - depending on opinion - blatantly or just more honestly a knock off of the original. I'm not entirely sold on the ethics of this lawsuit, given it's a product that has been unavailable for so long, and they appear to have no intention to bring it back into production. But it is what it is. The intriguing knock-on is what it has done to the second hand market for the Behringer pedals, which are now all over ebay for £500 and upwards. Full disclosure, the lawsuit announcement a couple of weeks ago finally prompted me to get around to ordering my own Behringer Centaur from Thomann. It was on back order, and has now shipped today, so it's going to be interesting to see what I get. Will it be the original knock-off style, or a new, altered version? TBH, if I was sure it was the original, at the prices they're now going for used, I'd have ordered half a dozen and sold most of them on... Could have funded a very nice new guitar that way! Eh, well. Welcome to the era of Lawsuit pedals!

A bit late I know but .. just add more bass to your guitar tone and dismiss the need for bass completely! Works for some modern bands today

Sure ? Just looked at a few live videos on YT. If an octaver was in any of these is was very, very subtle. If he did use one it could have been an old analogue type like a Boss OC-2. Welcome.

And...I just tried this set up with pedals and while the reverb before delay goes against all conventional wisdom, it provides the smear that I was after. The set up still needs a direct out from the gain pedal to the mixer though for definition. A Line6 M5 from the bass rig is being used temporarily as the second delay and a TC Electronic Dimension D is providing the detune. It retains more definition than the Zoom MDC70S patch with +/-7 cents. I've also parked the Mosky Silver Horse in front of the Tight Rock for extra mid boost. It appears the Tri Parallel mixer is no longer needed here. So now, just need to find a second MIDI capable delay and a decent volume pedal and we are going to be there more or less, unless I decide the detuning/Dimension D needs to be MIDI capable as well.

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Just caught a video follow up specifically on Huff's chorus settings with input from Mason at Vertex. Mason shared this diagram from someone who was involved with Lukathers 1984 rig and it throws everything I had assumed so far, about how the parallel signal processing was set up, out the window. This is after I've already cut the pedal board connections to length..! This shows that the trichorus acts like a sort of signal conditioner, splitting the signal into stereo and sending each side of the stereo output separately to detune and reverb, then to mono delays (presumably to dotted eighth and quarter notes) on left and right. I'm going to have to experiment with this and rerout all the connections. Also, while at least one YTer has stated they think most of the distinctive lushness comes from a Yamaha SPX90 symphonic patch, Lukather (and probably Huff if this latest news is credible) both used an Eventide for the detune. So that puts the Pitchfactor and a whole host of other detune pedals like the GFI Systems Synesthesia into consideration. The Synesthesia does Dimension D, detune and trichorus and two effects at the same time BUT, it's at least the same cost, if not more, of any two of those pedals together. So the extra cost buys versatility (if multiple kinds of modulation are needed) or board real estate but it's a little overkill where trichorus is routed separately to the detune.

Hi guitar community. I have a question for you experienced and seasoned guitarist. I like to play a lot of Gary Moore lead. Still got the blues, need your love so bad and Parisian walkways. Gary must use an octave pedal. I have bought three but just can't get up that far and the sound is really tinny too. Any suggestions or experience please?

Welcome Simon!

Welcome. Your Cort looks very similar to my Ibanez AZES40. Good luck with it.

Hey, welcome aboard. If you have any questions, feel free to post them.

My next birthday, in a few weeks, I'll be 75, and I am still very much a learner. Ain't it just fun, though..?

Good morning, @Noctua69, and ... ... Plenty to read and amuse you here, and lots to learn and share. Please allow me to congratulate you on your wisdom, getting the right help from Someone Who Knows. Well done. May I also offer my standard words of encouragement..? 'It's the first forty years that are the hardest, after which things sometimes tend to get slightly better. '

Oh Lord! I will be 110